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陈安:国企老总入选中国工程院工程管理学部是值得赞赏的事!

2015-12-07 陈安 科学博客

千呼万唤,第一个院的院士名单终于正式公布了,我比较关心的是新科中国工程院工程管理学部的六位院士:  1,中国银联股份有限公司执行副总裁 柴洪峰  2,华中科技大学校长 丁烈云  3,山西焦煤集团有限责任公司副董事长、党委常委、总经理 金智新  4,神华集团有限责任公司总经理 凌文  5,鞍钢矿业集团总经理 邵安林  6,中国人民解放军第五七一九工厂

千呼万唤,第一个院的院士名单终于正式公布了,我比较关心的是新科中国工程院工程管理学部的六位院士(中国工程院2015年院士增选结果):


  1,中国银联股份有限公司执行副总裁 柴洪峰
  2,华中科技大学校长 丁烈云
  3,山西焦煤集团有限责任公司副董事长、党委常委、总经理 金智新
  4,神华集团有限责任公司总经理 凌文
  5,鞍钢矿业集团总经理 邵安林
  6,中国人民解放军第五七一九工厂厂长 向巧(女)

那天,孤魂说,这个学部的院士应该有马云。

嗯,老吴这一点还是对的,虽然他在院士的问题上老是犯极大的错误,我都懒得批评他了。

我想,中国工程院正在向这个方向努力,原来的时候,学部还经常有个别的学者,现在的六位全部是国企的副部级领导,这一基本的思路和原则性确立是没有问题的。

对了,新科院士丁烈云也可以认为是大型国企的老总,这里特别补充一下。实际上,当我们看丁的研究方向,发现第一个就刚好符合学部基本要求——建设工程和房地产管理,工程管理信息化,还有第三个方向“风险与安全管理”和我有关联度。丁如果去做房地产公司的老总,按照其研究积累,肯定是可以超越万达或万科。

实际上,我认识一些美国工程院的院士,在IBM工作的华人工程师就有好几个,更不要说微软的老总比尔这小子喽。

企业的老板从事的正是工程管理,而且一般都是比较大型的工程,如果没有几个亿,应该都不好意思向外说。这一点是搞管理研究的学者们所达不到的,后者多为几十几百万的项目而四处奔波,可怜得很。

之前,北航的邱菀华教授一再申请这个学部的院士,我曾经在科学网上委婉地提过明确建议:别再申请了!

糟糕的是,邱老师还是心有不甘,今年在70多岁的时候再度披挂上阵,继续拼杀,结果很清楚——她应该回家安享退休生活,不该再出江湖的呀。

工程管理并非管理,工程院主要也不应该看学术贡献,而要看对于工程管理的贡献,所以,如果没有管理过大型项目,只是提出过一些Idea,其实和这个院或学部的要求是不相符的。

这次比较好的是,大型国企的老总多位有幸入选。接下来,其实可以考虑马云这样的私企老板了。

按照同是浙江人的孤魂说法,马云的创新是目前中国企业家里广泛缺乏的,而华为任正非的成功难道没有包括管理模式和工程管理方面的创新吗?当然有!而且是巨大的,比任何管理学界学者的贡献都大得多,也所以,我们期待着工程院下一步引入私企的老总,刚开始可以放慢点脚步,先从大家公认的创新性较强的几位选起,然后再考虑一些藏在深闺的私企老总。

让工程管理学部真正“工程”起来吧!

小编简评:

生命科学与医学学部有几个不是院长和副院长的?当然了,咱们这个领域院长和副院长都是真才实学的,其它领域,咱不懂?这么,你也来评评?

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    2015-12-27 hixiaoluo

    好文章,值得收藏

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    2015-12-14 xi.xiong

    加油加油!

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    2015-12-09 xi.xiong

    让工程管理学部真正“工程”起来吧!

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    2015-12-08 鲜花飞鸟

    工程管理学部的院士,也不应该看学术贡献,而要看对于工程管理的贡献

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    2015-12-08 cmn

    加油

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    2015-12-08 其曰无医

    院士不是头衔

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    2015-12-08 老段

    恩,加油吧

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    2015-12-08 hengrui1979

    微积分浏览

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