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火留针?又一个伪中医横空出世?肝转移和肝癌是两码事!

2016-10-09 岚逸筠篁 医学界

导语:把肝脏上的结肠癌转移瘤当作肝癌,这位“医生”真具备执业所需的专业医学知识?今天一大早,有一个同事转发给界哥这样的一则微博,问我有何看法。这条微博今天在医疗圈内外似乎很火,已经引发了逾千条评论,甚至上升到人身攻击的地步,界哥已经惊呆了。我们来看看:有人认为这种治疗缺乏科学依据,也有人认为博主已经出了很多书、有认证、行医经验丰富,应该靠谱,而且中医不需要什么科学解释。现场硝烟弥漫,双方唇枪舌剑,

导语:把肝脏上的结肠癌转移瘤当作肝癌,这位“医生”真具备执业所需的专业医学知识?


今天一大早,有一个同事转发给小编这样的一则微博,问我有何看法。这条微博今天在医疗圈内外似乎很火,已经引发了逾千条评论,甚至上升到人身攻击的地步,小编已经惊呆了。我们来看看:



有人认为这种治疗缺乏科学依据,也有人认为博主已经出了很多书、有认证、行医经验丰富,应该靠谱,而且中医不需要什么科学解释。现场硝烟弥漫,双方唇枪舌剑,火药味十足。



小编认为,先不说这种中医疗法靠不靠谱,光把肝脏上的结肠癌转移瘤当作肝癌就足以说明这所谓的“医生”不具备专业医学知识了。


当一位知名科普作家指正时,这位“医生”的粉丝却这样“指责”他:



的确,肝脏肿瘤和结肠肿瘤同时发生的案例不少,但是这个肝脏肿瘤是原发的还是继发的却有大不同。


转移性肝癌不是“肝癌”


广义的肝癌可分为原发性肝癌和继发性/转移性肝癌。


原发性肝癌(Primary liver cancer)指的是肝细胞或(和)肝内胆管上皮细胞癌变引起的恶性肿瘤,也就是狭义的“肝癌”,一般医学文献中提及的肝癌即指原发性肝癌。


而继发性/转移性肝癌(Secondary liver cancer)指的是肝外原发恶性肿瘤转移到肝脏后引发的癌组织,绝大部分是血行转移。由于肿瘤细胞源自于肝外原发癌,因此病理检查可发现这类患者的肝内肿瘤组织和肝外原发肿瘤组织在各方面相似。


打个比方,如果小编跑到美国旅游,小编还是中国人不是美国人。就算小编是移民的,拿了美国国籍,成为“美国人”,但小编的基因还是中国人的基因。相同道理,一个结肠癌细胞跑到肝脏里,的确在肝脏生根发芽形成恶性肿瘤,但是细胞本质还是结肠癌。所以不存在那个网友所说结肠癌细胞跑到肝脏变成肝癌细胞的情况。虽然教科书中仍使用“继发性/转移性肝癌”这一名词,但是由于容易被人混淆,国外的文献和学术会议中大多使用“Liver metastasis”(肝转移瘤)进行表述,比如结肠癌肝转移。


也就是说,当肝脏和结肠都存在癌变时,如果肝肿瘤是由于结肠癌细胞跑到肝脏里引起的就是转移癌;如果是肝脏自发的就是自发癌,这种情况也叫多发癌症。


可以说,那位所谓的中医医生在广义上或许是正确的,但是并不具有一个现代医生该有的专业素质。因为肝脏原发肿瘤和转移瘤的治疗是有差别的,对肝转移癌来说,不仅要根据肝脏的特性选择治疗方法(手术方式、化疗方式等),还要根据原发癌的性质选择化疗药物选择等。


所以我不知道,这位所谓的中医医生所选择的方法是基于哪种肿瘤。不过就算是为了缓解痛苦,对于免疫力低下的肿瘤转移患者直接采用这样的有创措施真的好吗?即使是手术治疗也要评估患者的免疫状况。


现代医学也有“火留针”,可以治癌


小编没学过中医,所以不懂这位中医医生所谓的“火留针”是否真有缓解或治疗癌症的方法。不过现代医学的确也有类似的方法,只不过不是“烧皮肤”,而是“烧肿瘤”。


肿瘤消融法,就是在影像设备(一般是超声)的引导下经皮穿刺,通过微波、射频、冷冻、无水乙醇注射等方法直接对肿瘤进行消融治疗,使肿瘤失活坏死,不仅适用于不宜手术的恶性肿瘤,对于术中和术后治疗转移瘤和复发瘤都有不错的效果,而且创伤还小,患者负担轻、恢复快。



后记:小编已经料想到看完这篇文章的读者们将在后台会引发何种规模的争论,不过还是引用一位学者的观点:中医药的现代化研究应遵守国际临床试验质量管理规范的准则,进行更多随机对照试验以论证中医标准化治疗系统的有效性,屠呦呦教授发现青蒿素正是因为经受了科学的实践和考验而获得诺奖的。

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    2016-10-10 1e134edbm78(暂无匿称)

    中医药学是上古经验学,评者要从植物的原始了解现代医学,欧美医学都在回归自然,遵循自然法则,而你们在干吗?化学武器对中国人还没有教训吗?一粒康太克就让中国人不得觉醒,惨!

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    2016-10-10 1e134edbm78(暂无匿称)

    这是所谓的西医说辞,中医有很多外治法用来治疗疾病,"火疗"法在中医基础理论为指导的基础上,为什么不能治病?

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    2016-10-10 知难而进

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    2016-10-10 知难而进

    谢谢分享!

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    2016-10-10 1e10c84am36(暂无匿称)

    文章很好,继续关注

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    2016-10-09 boc_111

    很笑人啊这些言论

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level=null, likeNumber=67, replyNumber=0, topicName=null, topicId=null, topicList=[], attachment=null, authenticateStatus=null, createdAvatar=http://cacheapi.medsci.cn/resource/upload/20161003/IMG57F1CE4724D2E2574.jpg, createdBy=c2eb1960303, createdName=drmike, createdTime=Sun Oct 09 09:15:53 CST 2016, time=2016-10-09, status=1, ipAttribution=)]
    2016-10-09 1e101747m50(暂无匿称)

    屠奶奶受到的是现代科学的教育,从事的自然科学的研究究,做出的是植物提取物治疗疾病的研究,与拒绝科学检验,不能经受科学检验,不符合自然科学发展范式的中医没有任何关系。中医往其脸上贴金到了无耻的地步。

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    2016-10-09 drmike

    感觉不是很靠谱~

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