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清华大学杨燕绥:国家医保局并非复制“三明模式”

2018-03-28 MedSci MedSci原创

在刚刚公布的大部制改革方案中,组建国家医疗保障局成为亮点之一,即将登场的首任医保局局长备受业内关注。“现在大家都在猜测国家医保局局长究竟会是谁,我认为这位局长应主导打造一个利益相关人的对话平台,而不是‘只管政策、不问执行’的官僚作风。”3月25日,在“泰禾-清华医管”大讲堂上,清华大学公共管理学院教授、医院管理研究员杨燕绥教授如是说。在国家医保局被业内热议之时,有声音认为,医保局正是“三明模式

在刚刚公布的大部制改革方案中,组建国家医疗保障局成为亮点之一,即将登场的首任医保局局长备受业内关注。“现在大家都在猜测国家医保局局长究竟会是谁,我认为这位局长应主导打造一个利益相关人的对话平台,而不是‘只管政策、不问执行’的官僚作风。”3月25日,在“泰禾-清华医管”大讲堂上,清华大学公共管理学院教授、医院管理研究员杨燕绥教授如是说。

在国家医保局被业内热议之时,有声音认为,医保局正是“三明模式”推向全国的最好佐证。在接受健康界采访时,杨燕绥特别强调,国家医疗保障局并非“三明模式”的复制版,最明显的区别是三明市医保局是统筹基金的操作机构,而国家医保局并不直接管理医保基金

美国学者的“随机均值理论”

杨燕绥教授演讲的主题是“医疗服务定价与医保支付改革”。在活动现场,杨燕绥就医疗保险应如何利用随机均值定价机制,医疗保障的定义和中国医保改革等问题进行了分享。

业内普遍认为,医疗非交易、药品非商品,不能用价格左右医生的行为,不能以利润驱动医院的发展,这样的属性是由基本医疗公益性所决定。但是医疗成本较高且具有不确定性也是不争的事实。“医疗非交易不等于医疗没成本,药品非商品不等于不是昂贵的,尤其是在基本医疗服务中,补偿是关键。无论是英国的免费医疗,还是德国社会保险基金模式,都是在讨论补偿问题,因此需要依据医疗服务绩效和参考市场交易规则建立补偿机制。”杨燕绥随后反问,科技进步将继续提高医疗成本,应当如何定价、补偿医务人员和医院发展呢?

1972年,美国经济学家肯尼迪·阿罗的“一般均衡理论”获得诺贝尔奖,他在2001年的论文中指出:信息革命会带来新的解决方案。随后,肯尼迪·阿罗提到医疗定价的随机均值问题。

这位经济学家的观点令杨燕绥信服。“如果说医疗服务的成本是不确定的,那么大数据的随机均值则给了我们定价机制。”杨燕绥提到,比如不同的医院、不同能力的医生组、良好的患者体验和疗效评估等,依据这个价值付费,并将疾病分组,确定随机均值、疗效评估也可以奖优罚劣。

注定到来的支付方式变革

“随机均值也可以叫作打包定价,这种方式相对公平,同城、同地、同价,一旦将来我们能走向价值付费就更加公平了。”杨燕绥说。

那么,医疗服务应如何定价呢?杨燕绥认为,要基于全体医生随机均值大数据和DRG分组的权重打包定价,由此形成医保付费点值。

医院服务定价的改变,无疑将引发支付方式的改革。在质量付费的基础上,进一步工作就是“开包验证”,分析医生检查、手术、用药和耗材使用的合理性,进而基于大数据和科学方法评价疗效,缓解长期以来定价机制的扭曲情况,并形成从超支自负到疗效评估和奖励的过程。

“金华模式”的思考

事实上,在医保基金吃紧的当下,多个地方都在试图通过创新方式,实现医改目标。浙江省金华市以“病组点数结算”为核心的医保支付方式改革取得突破。杨燕绥在分享当中特意介绍了“金华模式”。

2016年7月,金华市探索“病组点数结算”,医保支付改革拉开帷幕。简而言之,就是在总额预算下,主要住院医疗服务按疾病诊断相关分组付费,长期慢性病住院服务按床日付费,复杂住院病例通过特病单议按项目付费,同时引入“点数法”,将病组、床日、项目等各种医疗服务的价值以一定点数体现,年底根据基金预算总额和医疗服务总点数确定每个点的实际价值,再以各医疗机构实际总点数进行费用拨付清算。

数据显示,从2016年7月至2017年6月,金华市年度就医人员均次住院费用降低170元,减轻群众负担2370万元,患者自付医疗费用增长率由2015年增长2%转为2016年负增长0.7%,减少群众现金负担1002万元;与原付费制度相比,医疗机构实现增效节支收益3800余万元;实际基金支出增长率为7.1%,低于预算增长率0.4个百分点,较前三年金华市14%左右的增长率,降幅近50%。

不难看出,“金华方案”是建立综合治理机制的一套组合拳,打开了医保和医院对话的通道,使用DRG和引入点数法与预付制,打造了三医联动的良好局面。杨燕绥认为,金华市在宏观上建立了区域医保基金预算与合理增长的调控机制;在中观上建立基于DRG协议定价和点数分配的医保基金长效收支平衡机制;在微观上建立了医疗机构控制成本、提高治疗、良性竞争的引导机制。

杨燕绥发现,一年多以来,金华地区的医保基金和医疗机构允许绩效结果优良,方案设计和运行效果值得其他地区借鉴。

讨论:国家医保局并非“三明模式”翻版

在活动现场,杨燕绥与参会者就与医保相关问题进行了讨论。

webwxgetmsgimg (1).jpg提问:您对国家医保局有哪些期待?

杨燕绥:成立医疗保障局非常好。我相信即将亮相的局长不会长着一张官僚的面孔,他(她)要动员社会利益相关人,很好地形成数据的权威性,并搭建谈判对话平台,来推动整个社会治理新局面的形成。

提问:什么是官僚的样子?

杨燕绥:官僚只会号召,不懂执行,或是高高在上地把过去的文件搞一遍,再发点文件,哪个地方有典型了就再去总结。

提问:您如何看待“国家医保局是‘三明模式’翻版”的说法?

杨燕绥:两者有相似的地方,但并不能说是一回事,最直观的差别是国家医疗保障局直属国务院,是与卫健委平行的政府机构,而三明和福建省医保办是被放在财政部门下面。国家医保局会根据各地多年的经验推进“三医联动”,并且不会直接管理医保基金。

医保局的主要职责是立规则,比如编码如何统一、如何分组、随机均值如何产生、医疗如何付费等,要把机制打造起来,让各地医院和医保实现对话。

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