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这种“胸水”,做胸腔穿刺要出大事!

2018-06-21 孙丹雄 医学界呼吸频道

胸腔积液,胸腔穿刺,都是呼吸内科很常见的临床问题,一般很简单,但是,越是简单,越要小心谨慎,小心驶得万年船。

胸腔积液,胸腔穿刺,都是呼吸内科很常见的临床问题,一般很简单,但是,越是简单,越要小心谨慎,小心驶得万年船。



一不小心,就成了骚操作!

下面这个CT,感觉如何?



外院做的CT,片子不是很清楚。实习同学一看,兴奋的跳起来:"老师,大量胸腔积液,胸腔穿刺,走起!并且报告也说胸腔积液。”

一个进修医生也说:“可以留置引流管了。”

之前查阅国外文献,看到别人入坑、吃亏、被套路。

这次,我选择谨慎。



首先,外院做的CT,不是很清楚,要谨慎。就算是胸腔穿刺,查体是必须的,万一拿错片子呢?

其次,虽然CT诊断胸水比X片准确性高很多,但是,有时候,CT会误诊胸水,B超也可能误诊胸水,要谨慎,增强CT+B超,可以最大程度的减少误诊。

再其次,也是最重要的,这个CT,仔细一看,疑问很多。

典型的胸水,是这样的,如下图↓。



包裹性的胸水,可以水往高处走,但是密度一般非常均匀,密度很低,如下图↓:



我们来全方位的研究这个患者的CT:



像把镰刀,圆月弯刀,要警惕肺不张。



密度不均,特别是有可疑“树枝样”低密度影,提示支气管存在,提示肺不张。



下图是局部放大:



肺不张有时候和胸水会混淆,并且,肺不张可以和胸水同时存在,在不明确的情况下,贸然胸腔穿刺,会掉坑里的,甚至茅坑里。

鉴别胸水,需要知道肺不张,特别是片子不清楚的时候。





我们再来研究这个患者的肺窗CT:




左主支气管闭塞,肺不张肯定要考虑,或多或少,都是存在的。

假如是肺不张,那么,你做的胸腔穿刺,就成了肺穿刺!



右边支气管一清二楚,左边支气管模里模糊,玩消失了。

左边支气管之前是存在的,现在为什么消失了?

一个失意的我,无法拯救一个失忆的你!

一个闭塞的支气管,无法撑起一片肺泡!

它们塌陷,闭塞,不张了!



综上所述,这个患者可能有胸腔积液,但也存在肺不张,在CT不清楚的情况下,胸水不确定的情况下,不能贸然行胸腔穿刺,冲动是魔鬼,一不小心就真的成了骚操作了。

如何鉴别:

■ 增强CT:胸水不会强化,肺不张会强化

■ 胸水B超!

支气管阻塞,要高度怀疑肿瘤,其次是结核等,下一步,最关键的是行气管镜检查,是结核则抗结核,是肿瘤则很可能是晚期肿瘤。

气管镜下,正常的隆突部位是啥样的呢?

如下图:


这个患者呢?如下图:


我当时还想着左主支气管应该有条缝隙,没想到,做纤支镜的时候,到了隆突上方,我一看,哎呀!左主支气管完全闭塞了,漫威超级英雄蚁人都过不去了,下一步只有考虑介入治疗了!

肿物阻塞,则一般是癌症!

支气管完全闭塞,特别是有疤痕样改变,则可能是结核!

为什么左主支气管完全闭塞了?

结核侵犯支气管,病人来医院又来晚了!

那么,这个病人到底有没有胸腔积液呢?且看增强CT:





上面是入院后做的增强CT,左侧胸廓已经塌陷,肺不张加重!可能有少量胸腔积液!

左侧有强化的,有血管影、支气管树影的是肺不张。

胸膜下低密度的一小圈,提示可能有少量胸腔积液,也可能是增厚的胸膜。

行医要谨慎,看病要趁早!

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