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2016-01-23 罗正强 科学诗人

这两天,关于施一公院士在未来科学论坛上发表演讲中提到他关于人的意识和神经活动和量子力学中的量子纠缠相关一事,先后有诸多科研领域认识表示异议,如美国印第安那大学医学院微生物及免疫系教授傅新元就立马在科学网博客上撰文表示对施一公相关观点的担忧,具体可以参看本公众号的上一期内容。而今天,本人又看到久违的方舟子同学又在不远万里,利用灵媒缉凶(medium,美国流行的一款全新的轻量级内容发行平台,允许

这两天,关于施一公院士在未来科学论坛上发表演讲中提到他关于人的意识和神经活动和量子力学中的量子纠缠相关一事,先后有诸多科研领域认识表示异议,如美国印第安那大学医学院微生物及免疫系教授傅新元就立马在科学网博客上撰文表示对施一公相关观点的担忧,具体可以参看本公众号的上一期内容。而今天,本人又看到久违的方舟子同学又在不远万里,利用灵媒缉凶(medium,美国流行的一款全新的轻量级内容发行平台,允许单一用户或多人协作,将自己创作的内容以主题的形式结集为专辑(Collection),分享给用户进行消费和阅读。)发表了一篇辩驳的文章,解读视角一剑穿喉,使用言辞符合其一贯风格而略显犀利。对于他的辩驳正文,我是接受的,但是他的人身攻击,却甚是感到不快。方舟子是骂人骂惯了。所以,现在我摘录方舟子原文,以飨各位,但是其中的人身攻击大家就不要在意了。
        
评施一公“大师”忽悠“生命科学”

·方舟子·


近日,清华大学副校长、清华大学生命科学学院院长、中国科学院院士施一公教授在“未来论坛”年会上发表题为《生命科学认知的极限》的演讲,做大师状要给生命科学发展指一条明路。我们来看看施大师的一些高论。

【施一公:不要说我们对老年痴呆症的病因不清楚,对大脑这样一个神秘的器官我们也知之甚少,我们基本上可以说什么都不知道。……我们在用我们的五官,就是视觉、嗅觉、听觉、味觉、触觉理解这个世界。这个过程是不是客观的呢,肯定不是客观的。我们的五官感受世界以后,把信息全部集中到大脑,但是我们不知道大脑是如何工作的,所以在这方面也不能叫客观。……不管你怎么做研究,都无法解释人的意识,这超越了我们能说出和能感知的层面。】

施一公是结构生物学家,如果他要讲讲蛋白结构测定什么的我们还可以听听,然而他却要抹杀二三十年来神经科学、认知科学的进展,以为他不知道的神经生物学家也不知道,听这种妄言,还不如听神棍吹牛有娱乐价值。难怪我一个研究神经生物学的同学评论说:“我们对神经系统的了解远远超过了他的想象力。感觉他睡得太少,长期缺觉太多,已经到了不知所云的状态。有点替他的健康状况担心。”施大师的健康状况究竟如何我们不得而知,但施大师忙于当官、当明星、当大师,倒是可以肯定。

【施一公:加州大学圣塔芭芭拉分校(UCSB)著名的理论和实验物理学家Matthew Fisher就笃信,人的意识、记忆和思维是量子纠缠的,要用量子理论来解释。那怎么证明呢?他说我一定要在实物上证明,要寻找量子纠缠的实体。很多科学家找了很长时间,发现神经细胞里面的微管可以形成量子纠缠,但是微管的时间尺度是10^(-20)秒到10^(-13)秒,远远小于人的记忆和意识的形成 时间。但是他通过理论的实践,以模拟的方式找到了,他正在进行实验验证。】

Matthew Fisher是一个理论物理学家,主要是研究量子凝聚态物质理论,以前从来不研究生物学问题,在2015年他心血来潮玩票发了一篇论文《量子认知》(Quantum Cognition: The possibility of processing with nuclear spins in the brains, M.P.A. Fisher, Annals of Physics 362, p. 593–602 (2015)),是他唯一一篇与生物有关的论文(他发表的全部论文记录在此:http://www.kitp.ucsb.edu/mpaf/publications ),就被施大师当成了宝贝,拿来大谈特谈。实际上这篇论文的观点就是施大师该演讲的主要内容。为了增加其信誉,施大师楞是给一个理论物理学家加上“实验物理学家”的头衔,而且胡说“他正在进行实验验证”。实际上Fisher在那篇论文中只是提出了一个假说,以及简单地提出了验证或否证该假说的一些可能实验,可没有说他自己要去做实验验证,更没有说他正在进行实验实验。施一公如果不是没有仔细看过该论文,就是看了仍然要夸大其词误导听众。

【施一公:比如把磷和钙放在一起,也就是磷酸钙,当磷酸钙以波斯纳分子集群(Posner molecule or cluster)形式存在的时候,它的量子纠缠时间可以长达10⁵秒!能把这样一个极其脆弱的,对声、光、电、热都极其敏感的量子纠缠现象的持续时间提高15个数量级,那么如果再提高5个数量级,就可以达到年的水平,以年为单位来保存量子纠缠现象。那么依此类推,你们觉不觉得,有一天我们人类会发现量子纠缠也是一个可以进化的现象,它可以保存一百年、一千年、一万年。也就是说,量子纠缠,它在远古的时候就存在了,在进化过程中被保存了下来。】

关于磷酸钙的说法,施大师是从Fisher论文搬来的,但Fisher论文只是从理论上做了估算,而施大师却把它当成了事实。施大师的创新是说“量子纠缠也是一个可以进化的现象”,这就莫名其妙了。一个东西要能够进化,至少要有自我复制(遗传)和变异两重性,请问量子纠缠要怎么自我复制和变异?

【施一公:我要问你们四个问题。第一个问题,你们相信有第六感官吗?很多人会说不相信。第二个问题,有没有可能,两个人会以未知的方式进行交流?你会说也许,不会像第一个问题那样肯定地说不信。第三个问题,量子纠缠是否存在于人类的认知世界里面?存在于大脑里?我相信听了我的讲座,你会觉得很有可能。第四个问题,量子纠缠是不是适用于地球上的物质呢?你一定会说一定适用,因为我们已经证明了。但其实简单讲,这四个问题是完全一样的问题,倒推回去就说明一定有第六感官,只是我们无法感受,所以叫“第六感官”。那么我们人究竟是什么?我们只不过是由一个细胞走过来的,就是受精卵,所有受精卵在35亿年以前,都来自于同一个细胞,同一团物质,一个处于复杂的量子纠缠的体系,就这么简单。】

因为一个理论物理学家玩票写了一篇论文,提出了一个用量子纠缠解释大脑认知的假说,就被施大师当成了真理,就认为是一个“已经证明了”的事实,然后就觉得可以解释人类的认知,甚至连“第六感官”都成了实际存在的现象而且可以解释,然后我们就成了“一个处于复杂的量子纠缠的体系”,还“就这么简单”呢。施大师这是要创建一个“量子纠缠”教吗?已经有潘建伟这个“量子纠缠”教主在前面等着他了。

一个打一枪换一个地方测测蛋白晶体结构的包工头,非要做思想大师状,就是这个样子了。

2016.1.19

好了,以上就是方舟子的辩驳文章,至于其言辞之犀利和人身攻击是否会让您反感咱们暂且不论,但是他的辩驳切中要害。我之所以传播他的辩驳文章,是希望我们能够制造一场舆论,追问施一公,激励他以正式立项的方式通过专门的课题来研究解决这个问题,毕竟已经在公众面前发布了他的设想和预测。我是很感兴趣施一公的设想和推测能否实现以及是否正确,所以会一直会利用闲暇时间进行关注,也希望大家团结起来,给我们中国的科学界创造出一个人人关注和追问的氛围。愿我们的科学研究越来越走在世界的前列。

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    净扯,有本事自己做出点成绩

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    2016-01-27 李继凯

    人渣

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    2016-01-26 doctording1

    有些人就这样

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    2016-01-25 ssummer

    这个理论太深奥

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    2016-01-25 北斗一星

    对于没有定论的科学问题,觉得还是争一争好,骂就骂吧,方舟子反对施一公,说明有人不认可施的理论,方舟子骂人不对,但方舟子为了这么高端的问题骂人,我挺佩服,你没那个高度你骂的出来么,不信你也骂一骂,看你骂和别人骂的哪个有水平?

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